Landmark Commission Minutes - 09/25/2018M I N U T E S
LANDMARK COMMISSION
September 25, 2018
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Christy Graham, Chairperson
■ Members
Michele Derr, Vice -Chairperson
■
Jackie William Lebow, Jr.
■
John Dickinson
■
Andy Lee
■
Jim Johnson
■
Rodney Martin
■ P&Z Liaison
Karen Gagne, Planning Administrator ■ City Staff
Amy Gardner, City Prosecuting Attorney ■ Legal Dept.
APPLICANTS/GUESTS:
Anthony Inman, 600 6th Street
Steve Mills, 106 Morningside
Lynne Holiday, 117 Pembroke
Jerry Tiemann, 117 Pembroke
Susan Koch — West Floral Heights Historic District (WFH HD)
ABSENT:
Cindy Ramirez ■ Members
Stacie Flood ■
Eric West ■ Council Liaison
I. Call to Order, and Introductions
Chairperson Christy Graham welcomed and called t
The Chair asked everyone to introduce themselves.
residing at 113 Pembroke Lane and contractor Jerry
Design Review, Anthony Inman, contractor on behalf
Mills residing at 106 Morningside.
he meeting to order at 12:04 p.m.
Welcomed guest Lynne Holiday
Tiemann, Susan Koch WFH HD
of owners at 600 6th Street, Steve
II. Review & Approval of Minutes from August 28, 2018
Chairperson Graham called for the review and approval of the August 28, 2018 Landmark
Commission meeting minutes. Mr. Rodney Martin made a motion to approve minutes;
Ms. Michele Derr seconded the motion. Minutes were unanimously approved.
Action Item - Design Review Application REVISIONS — 600 6th Street (Jones
Building) — Depot Square Historic District — Storefront Renovation, Two Additional
Doors
Chairperson Graham introduced the case. Ms. Gagne stated the Commission may
remember this case as it was presented at their June 261h meeting. The owner Mr.
Anderson, along with his contractor, Mr. Inman and agent, Andy Lee, whom signed a
conflict of interest form with the City Clerk's office and will not be voting on this issue
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presented their proposal to improve the store front and renovate that structure at 600 6tn
Street (Jones Building) in the Depot Square District. The items addressed were: new
windows (tinted), new store front framing, a new door, and new lighting. The
Commission also looked at having a new awning and entire interior remodel. Previous
uses of that property were auto repair. Previously the Commission approved new tinted
windows with the condition that the tint be of one that is not discernable. During the site
plan review phase of the project, staff determined based on building code regulations,
that a secondary egress was needed based on occupancy and buildable space.
Therefore, creating the question of possibly needing to come back before the Landmark
Commission if a second door had to be added or if that was something staff could
administratively review. Standard procedure: whenever there is a question on how
something is interpreted staff consult with the Chairperson of the Landmark Commission
and also the design guidelines which state a door is a major alteration. Unless staff
somehow has that review authority for a major alteration delegated to them the item
must be brought back to the Commission. Staff worked with Mr. Inman and he put
together a revised rendering to comply with the building code's minimum 2 points of
egress for the unit being renovated.
Ms. Gagne stated she would defer to the agent and Mr. Inman to provide additional
clarification but from her understanding they would like to proceed with the two door
option shown in the sketches. Mr. Lee stated he would defer to Mr. Inman, asking him
when they first came before the Commission how many doors were approved. Mr. Lee
also stated Mr. Inman did all the work with building official staff (Mr. Horton and Mr.
Teague) so he would not be the one to speak on this issue.
Mr. Inman stated a second door was verbally approved at -the June Commission meeting
while showing members sketches he pointed out to the right of the unit being renovated
was a separate lease space. He stated staff advised the two egresses could be at
opposite ends of the store front and meet egress/ fire code. Mr. Inman stated they need
the doors where they are placed because in the future they hope to have two separate
lease spaces. Mr. Martin asked if there were to be any other doors. Mr. Inman referred
to the sketch and stated it would look identical to the first door. Mr. Martin asked if there
would be other doors besides the two shown. Mr. Inman stated yes, they would be
replacing a door currently in use for the abutting lease space so the work could be
completed at the same time. Mr. Martin asked if the door was where the Naylor Auto
Supply sign was situated. Mr. Inman stated yes that was correct. A commissioner asked
if Mr. Inman was going to extend over the canopy. Mr. Inman replied no, they were only
going to canopy over the two doors and front windows. Ms. Derr asked if there would be
a door down at the other end of the building, looking for clarification on total number of
doors. Mr. Inman stated there will be three doors at this time. They would like to replace
the stucco with a new door and store front. It would not be in use until further
development but this way the entire south side of the building would match and in the
future they hope to tackle the east side (Ohio St) of the building as business picks up.
Ms. Derr commented she thought the revised facade looked nice and that it doesn't look
much different than the initial rendering and if the doors are required by building code,
they might as well do it all at -the same time. Ms. Derr made a motion to approve the
revision for additional doors and Mr. Johnson seconded it. Motion was unanimously
approved.
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Mr. Johnson asked Mr. Inman when he would start on this project. Mr. Inman responded
when he had all the requirements in place for permitting. Mr. Johnson asked about next
steps. Mr. Inman stated when case goes back upstairs he would need to finalize the
awning encroachment agreement with Pat Hoffman prior to permitting and the owners
are seeking 4B Improvement Grants.
IV. Action Item - Design Review Application — 1507 Tilden — West Floral Heights
Historic District — Side -Yard Fence, Driveway Widening/ Approach
Chairperson Graham introduced the case. Ms. Gagne noted a correction - the project
proposal for the new fence was actually out of the front yard setback. Traditionally, the
front setback area is 25 ft. from the edge of property line; in this case, the proposed
fence will be approximately 30 ft. from the edge of property so it would not be considered
in the front yard setback. Staff indicated there is a specific note in the Design Guidelines
regarding the West Floral Heights Historic District under landscape and amenities
features that does not allow any new fences to be placed in the front -yard setback area.
This is the third design review in the last month or two in the 1500 block of Tilden. Ms.
Gagne stated Mr. Gonzalez is looking to improve his property with widening the existing
single car drive (it is a double lot) and adding fencing in line with the house building line.
Ms. Gagne showed photos from 2013 to illustrate where they are proposing fence
placement. This case was brought to us from Building Inspection on a "Stop Work Order"
where work was stopped and Mr. Gonzalez appeared at last month's meeting thinking he
would be on the agenda. Planning staff was made aware of this on August 21 st and he
missed the processing deadline. Mr. Gonzalez is the owner and contractor. He
immediately stopped work when notified and contacted planning to work through the
correct process. Ms. Gagne provided photos to demonstrate where work will be done.
Mr. Gonzales also provided a survey showing where fencing would be 30 ft. back from
the property line, the double drive in addition to sample photos of the finished product — a
wooden fence with decorative metal framing. Ms. Gagne noted the Design Guidelines in
the West Floral Heights Historic District state no new fences are to be added to the front
yard setback, unless historically present and documented. This should have been noted
as side yard as it will be at 30 ft. Ms. Gagne stated Mr. Gonzales was unfortunately not
able to attend the meeting.
Mr. Lee stated he was in favor while Mr. Martin stated the only thing the fence would be
blocking would be the detached carport which is not a historical structure. Mr. Dickinson
made a motion to approve the side yard fencing, widened driveway and approach, Mr.
Lebow seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
V. Action Item - Design Review Application — 106 Morningside -- Morningside Historic
District --- Demolish Rear Detached Garage, Potential Hazardous Accessory
Structure
Chairperson Graham introduced the case. Ms. Gagne stated Mr. Mills contacted staff in
mid -July after Code Enforcement sent him a letter in late May 2018 about his detached
garage. Ms. Gagne showed photos of the structure and stated it is in the very rear,
northeast corner not fully visible from public ROW. Ms. Gagne referenced the photos
taken by Code Enforcement and advised their letter gave a timeline on repair or
demolition. Code was advised Mr. Mills had contacted Planning to initiate the process
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through the Landmark Commission. Unfortunately the August deadline was missed by a
few days so it was scheduled for September.
In a historic district demolition should not be considered the first option. However, this
detached structure, as documented, appears beyond repair. Mr. Martin stated it is
obvious this structure is beyond repair and Mr. Johnson questioned Mr. Mills as to why
he signed the application for design review "Steve Mills - under duress." Asking if he had
a plan for the structure. Mr. Johnson stated his property abuts 106 Morningside with a
common property line. Mr. Mills stated as far as restoring this structure a private water
drainage issue has caused the deterioration. Previous next door owner Jim Newsom did
not fix drainage issues. Mr. Mills stated he would annually clean out the common
drainage ditch but Mr. Newsom decided to have it filled in which has resulted in
significant runoff to lower land which impacted the detached garage/shed. Mr. Mills
stated Mr. Johnson has also done the same thing on the property causing standing
water. Mr. Johnson asked if Mr. Mills was objecting to the demolition of the structure.
Mr. Mills stated he had no issue with demolition but if they could solve the drainage issue
the structure might be able to be restored. Mr. Johnson pointed to drainage flow which
comes across his property at #3 Crestway and 166 Morningside. Mr. Mills showed where
it drains north to a pond and down Pembroke. Mr. Lee stated this is a drainage swale
and not an improvement. Mr. Mills stated years ago when it was cleaned out and a
break in the curb it did drain. Mr. Martin stated they did not know about any drainage
easements. Ms. Gagne advised Mr. Mills to contact engineering to see if they have a
drainage easement or record of it with their stormwater drainage engineer. Mr. Mills
stated he had talked to public works when Mr. Newsom started filling in dirt and was told
it was a civil matter and private drainage. At that time Mr. Mills stated he went to the
president of Morningside neighborhood and was told he should talk to Mr. Newsom and
he stated he knew what Mr. Newsom would tell him that he was Tilling it in. Mr. Mills
stated he did not want to sue his neighbor, he wanted to do what was right and that is
why he was at the meeting. Ms. Gagne stated we have a new city engineer and
significant time has passed since Jim Newsom was owner of that property.
Mr. Martin asked Ms. Amy Gardener if demolition was approved but before demolition if
Mr. Mills could come up with a different solution to restore the structure, would they have
to do -the demolition if they could prove the structure could be restored. Ms. Gardner
stated that it depends on the wording "may" versus "shall". "Shall be demolished" is a
final wording versus saying "pending the outcome of a drainage review". Mr. Johnson
asked Ms. Gardner hasn't code already said it is to be demolished? Isn't it on the list for
pending demolition? Ms. Gardner responded saying code has not brought this to her,
she is unaware of it at this time being set for public hearing for demolition. Mr. Johnson
asked Mr. Mills if his intentions are to repair the structure or just demolition. Mr. Mills
stated if the drainage issue is fixed he would repair it, he was not aware that was a viable
option. Mr. Martin stated he didn't want to give the okay as a Landmark Commission
member to demolish if Code offered an immediate plan of action -- either
remediate/renovate or demolish. Mr. Martin advised he is good with either choice he just
didn't want to cut off any viable options.
Mr. Martin made 'the motion to approve that the rear, detached structure at 106
Morningside may be demolished, Mr. Lebow seconded. Motioned passed unanimously.
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VI. Action Item - Design Review Application -- 117 Pembroke Lane (Reagan Watkins
House) — Morningside Historic District — Replace Composition Roof with Metal
Shingles, Replace Windows with Vinyl Windows, Replace Fagade Covering with
Vinyl Siding, Install Decorative Stone on Pembroke Fagade & Two Dormers and
Replace Metal Entry Columns with Cedar Pillars
Chairperson Graham introduced the case. Ms. Gagne stated she worked with Ms.
Holiday who has power of attorney for her mother's property — 117 Pembroke. Property
is located north of Sturdevant Place, right at the T-intersection at Pembroke Lane and
Sturdevant Place. Ms. Gagne showed photos from the 2013 inventory illustrating the
home with composition shingles and numerous additions to the home over the years.
Ms. Gagne pointed out the differences in the 2013 inventory photos and the current
photos and changes to the facade.
Ms. Gagne stated they are requesting to replace the composition shingle with a metal
style shingle. Also Ms. Holiday wants to replace siding and windows with new vinyl siding
and vinyl windows adding stone facade along Pembroke side of the home. Also
requesting to have cedar entry pillars replace the metal ones of present. Ms. Gagne
directs the Commissions attention to a letter from Ms. Holiday along with close up photos
in the packet. Ms. Gagne apologized that they were told this was not a designated
structure as that was incorrect. Commissioner wanted to clarify that this home was in an
historical district just not a contributing structure. Ms. Gagne advised that was correct, it
is not a city designated district through City Council it is national. Ms. Gagne showed
photos of the metal shingles Ms. Holiday is proposing to use. Commissioners made
comments how attractive they were and similar to composition. Ms. Gagne turned over
the floor to Ms. Holiday and her contractor to give the Commission more details.
Ms. Holiday advised she wants to replace the roof with metal shingles due to the
property being located next to an adjacent 5-acre field with wild animals. They have
many problems with raccoons and squirrels damaging the existing roof and previous roof
over the last 30 years. Ms. Holiday stated she is hoping the metal roof will deter these
animals from destroying the roof and tearing holes into it therefore gaining access to
attic.
Ms. Holiday stated she wants to replace windows on the first floor with energy efficient
windows. She stated these are currently single pane windows and if this could not be
approved she would like the option to replace with Lincoln brand windows which have
been utilized as replacement windows in Morningside.
Ms. Holiday requested to install decorative stone on the front of the house and two
dormers. Ms. Holiday advised there is stone on the back of the house as well as her
house to the south (113 Pembroke) and also on a neighboring home (109 Pembroke).
The decorative stone will be small sections of in the front for curb appeal.
Commissioners asked about sizing of stone to be installed. Mr. Martin asked what is
currently under the aluminum siding to which Ms. Holiday advised wood. Mr. Johnson
and Ms. Derr stated it was board &batten and some taken off for the aluminum siding.
Ms. Holiday advised current siding on the home was approximately 50 years old. Her
brother removed pieces and discovered original wood underneath was damaged.
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Finally, Ms. Holiday stated the metal pillars on the front porch were very out of date and
she wanted them replaced with cedar posts giving a better curb appeal. Mr. Johnson
asked if stone was original on the back window. The applicant responded yes it was
original. Commissioner Johnson asked if it was the same stone as the Lowder's house
(1109 Pembroke). Ms. Holiday replied yes it was the same.
Mr. Martin asked if partial approval on items could be done if Commission couldn't come
to agreement. Ms. Holiday stated her main concern at the present time is water coming
into the home from roof deterioration and the windows. Mr. Martin asked if they were
aluminum windows in -the home now. Ms. Holiday stated no, they were wood with
aluminum screens but the wood around them rotted. Mr. Johnson asked about removing
the metal awnings and retaining the metal columns. Ms. Holiday would remove metal
awnings and if couldn't replace pillars would opt to paint. Mr. Martin stated he prefers to
retain metal columns versus cedar columns to enhance historical value. Mr. Johnson
asked what the objective is on a home like this in a historical district that is non-
contributing. Is it to be reflective of the neighborhood? Ms. Gagne stated the goal is to
have a non-contributing structure over time become more contributing to the district.
Mr. Martin asked about housing styles in the Morningside Historical District. Also stated
he believed the Commission should go down the list, split up in 5 sections and vote on
each item. Commissioners agreed. Mr. Martin made a motion to split up items, Mr.
Dickinson seconded. Motion unanimously approved.
A. Roof
Allow composition shingles to be replaced with metal shingles (Decora).
Mr. Lee made a motion to approve, Mr. Martin seconded. Motion passed
unanimously.
B. Windows
Allow to replace current windows with vinyl windows.
Mr. Johnson asked Ms. Holiday if she was open to the option of the Lincoln
window instead of vinyl. Mr. Martin stated that Lincoln windows are vinyl clad
wood windows. Mr. Lebow stated it is acceptable and used in the past with other
Morningside structures and the current property is a non-contributing structure.
Mr. Lebow made the motion to approve Lincoln windows (vinyl clad wood
windows), Mr. Martin seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
C. Vinyl Siding
Mr. Dickinson stated under the old aluminum siding board & batten was most
likely cedar. Would Ms. Holiday agree to put the board and battens back on or did
she want -the vinyl because it was maintenance free. Ms. Holiday responded the
wood at the bottom almost all the way around structure was rotted and would like
vinyl. Mr. Martin asked how much stone is she planning on using on -the front
facade. Ms. Holiday stated from the corner and up to the roof and stopping. Mr.
Martin asked if it would be that front wall. Ms. Holiday stated yes, front facade
and dormers. Mr. Martin stated he is not sure on dormers at this point but since
they are allowing vinyl siding and the structure is a non-contributing structure and
also not knowing what the original structure looked like he asked Mr. Lebow what
he thought. Mr. Lebow asked how long the aluminum siding had been on
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structure. Ms. Holiday stated close to 50 years and she is requesting to use thin
stone on dormers. Mr. Lee stated he would make a motion to allow thin deco
stone facade but must match what is on the rear of the home but not allowed on
the dormers. Ms. Holiday stated the metal awnings would not be removed. Mr.
Martin asked Mr. Lee what he thought for the style of house. Mr. Lee stated this
is a unique case being non-contributing and owners simply trying to improve the
structure. Ms. Graham stated aluminum siding has been on there 50 years and
going to vinyl siding will give the same look. Mr. Martin and Mr. Lebow were in
agreement. Mr. Martin motioned to allow vinyl siding since the house was
previously covered in aluminum siding and the original board & batten was rotten.
Ms. Derr seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
D. Stone
To allow thin stone on front facade and two dormers. Mr. Martin and Mr. Lee
agree the dormers should be left off and not stoned. Ms. Holiday asked about
using shingle style or fish scale design siding on dormers. Mr. Lee made a motion
to approve stone facade on front of the house but not on the two dormers, Mr.
Lebow seconded. Motion approved unanimously.
E. Metal Columns
Ms. Holiday would like to replace metal columns with cedar posts. Mr. Martin
stated it needed to stay the decorative metal. Ms. Derr stated they could be taken
off and powder coated and reinstalled. Mr. Martin made motion to approve, Ms.
Derr seconded it. Motion failed unanimously. Ms. Gardner assisted in protocol.
The cedar post replacement was not approved.
VII. Other Business:
Monthly Reports:
a) Depot Square and Historic District:
Ms. Michele Derr gave an overview of activities coming up in the downtown core:
• September 28th - Wichita Theater production of North Texas Rising 2.0
• September 29th - Wine History Walk, 10 bldgs., Wichita Co. Heritage Society
• October 2d - Farmer's Market Long Table Dinner
• October 4th - Last Art Walk for the season
• October 6th — Zavala Festival
• October 14th — Food Truck Festival
• October 20th — Masquerade Ball at the Kell House
• October 20th -- Zombie Crawl
• October 5th — 19th — Backdoor Theater production of Night Mother
• September 21 St — October 20th _ Clue the Musical
Building on 7th Street that John and Danny purchased next to Hook and Ladder
has exposed some brick on the facade and they are making progress with
restoration and renovations.
b) West Floral Heights District:
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Susan Koch attended -the meeting with questions on status at 1501 Tilden.
Ms. Graham stated had to stay on task with the agenda. Legal counsel, Ms.
Gardner, advised the item was not on the posted agenda so would have to wait
until after the meeting to ask staff.
c) Morningside District:
No new updates this month.
Vill. Articles & Periodicals 1 THC Items:
THC - CLG Grant — 2019 round of CLG Grants are due by November 5th to the state
and letters of intent are due by Friday, September 28th to let them know if a community
was going to apply. Currently, there are no city matching funds available to apply for
this program but staff would like to consider for FY2020.
Ms. Gagne stated she appreciated moving the next meeting one week later to October
30th due to timing conflict with the Texas Chapter APA conference. Liaison Councilor
West wanted to pass on his apology due to a change in his work schedule he can no
longer attend the Tuesday meetings. This most likely will change towards the end of
November, after elections, when the Mayor re -assesses board liaisons.
Next meeting is October 30, 2018 at 12:00pm.
IX. Adjourn:
Meeting adjourned at 1:19 p.m.
Christy Graham, Chairperson Date