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Landmark Commission Minutes - 03/26/2018MI N U T E S LANDMARK COMMISSION March 26, 201 MEMBERS PRESENT: Michele Derr 0 Member John Dickinson W Stacie Flood 0 Christy Graham, Chairperson 0 Jackie Lebow .Jr. ■ Andy Lee ■ Cindy Ramirez 0 Rodney Martin 0 Caren Montgomery-Gagn , Planning Administrator ■ city staff APPLICANTS/VISITORS: Bill Weske, 616 7hSt, Hook & Ladder ■ Applicant ABSENT: Eric West ■ Council Liaison Jim Johnson ■ Member Amy Krikorian ■ Legal Staff I. Carl to order, Introductions and swearing-ln Chairperson Christy Graham called the meeting to order at 12:07 p.m. Mr. Rodney Martin was introduced and welcomed by the Chairperson and commission after sworn declaration of the oath of office to become a member of the Landmark Commission. ll. Review & Approval of Design Review Application Part II - 616 7 try street: painted wall sign on west gall and outdoor patio dining area along 7th street — Hook & Ladder (Depot square Historic District) Ms. Montgomery-Gagn6 presented and reviewed the submitted application as well as comparison of before and after photos with previous years (early 2 's; and 2 13) with the proposed site plan. She acknowledged business owner, Mr. Bill 11esle, who was mailable to answer any questions from the Commission. The owners, Mr. Weske and Mr. ,Jon Reese, of 616 7 t" Street, have requested a painted sign on the west fagade in addition to establishing an outdoor patio area along 7 t" Street for their business Hook & Ladder. Ms. Montgomery-Gagn6 showed before and after photographs that were taken when repairs were needed, completed and approved previously by the commission (October 2017). Some of the repairs included structural, front fagade, awnings and sign replacement. Also paint was carefully removed from the west wall following National Register standards for this structure, built in the late 1 's. The requested sign design is not an exact replica; the design schematic is superimposed which would be placed in a white brook on the west LANDMARK COMMISSION PAGE 2 March 2, 201 wall. The word "winery' replaced the word"coffee". fills. Gagne showed interior photographs of the property which supported the commission's previous approval. 1 Ms. Gagn6 segued to the latter request of the design Review application - to have an established five foot by three foot fenced outdoor patio seating area along 7 th Street. The owners modeled the outdoor patio design after another landmark property, Iron Horse Pub, at 615 8th Street. The dining area, which consists of tables and chairs: would be surrounded by a wrought iron fence. If dining chairs and tables are out in the public right of way, fencing is a requirement and an encroachment agreement is mandatory, per ordinance. From Ms. Gagn 's understanding Hook & Ladder owners do not have an encroachment agreement but are working with property administration to formulate the details. Ms. Gagne ended her presentation and Chairperson Graham stated that frig. Andy Lee has filed a conflict of interest form and recused himself from voting on the design review case due to involvement with the project. The Chair also stated that each item within the request would be voted on separately. The applicant, r. dill 1Je, presented his drawing; he mentioned that staff 5 fi presentation covered their request. Mr. Weske highlighted the outline/location of where the proposed fence would be four feet from the building: the a ►rning's overhang is ten foot (sixteen feet to the street), and there would be two tables with four chairs. A member asked if the proposed four foot patio area extended as far from the building as he wanted to go? fir. v eske affirmed and staff confirmed that it was within City regulations. Ms. Gagne elaborated the ordinance requires a five foot clear pedestrian area be maintained. Mr. Dickinson strongly suggested that the owner go with five foot instead of four foot, it will be easier for individuals to move around. Mr. Rodney Martin supported a fenced area extending five foot out from the building. The Chair called for a motion. Mr. John Dickinson made a motion; Ms. Stacie Flood seconded. Chairperson Graham asked for discussion, there was none. Before the vote, Chairperson Graham Mated the motion; to approve the proposed outdoor patio area in front of the Hook & Ladder (Toodles Building) extending five foot from building and a height of three feet: encroachment agreement to be obtained from the City of Wichita Falls. The vote carried unanimously. Chairperson Graham asked for discussion on the second portion of the request, the painted sign/mural on the side of the building. Mr. Andy Lee complimented the owners for their meticulousness on the repairs on the crest wall as well as the protectiveness of keeping the wall intact with the selection of sealants and paint and adherence to the standards of the National Register. ister. He added the wall is circa 1882. chairperson Graham brought in beautiful books from Julie Coley which slowed various murals throughout the city. Some of the murals even though faded, were painted and intact. chairperson Graham started the books supported and would aid the members in consideration of the adherence to the design review guidelines. A member questioned the applicant's request to have a painted sign and was it necessary since the guidelines Mate not to add non historical murals to these surfaces. She further elaborated that there were not any advertisements either; those referenced were on another building in the Depot District. Mr. Andy Lee countered plus he firmly stated this was a sign and not a mural. He added it is hard to restrict since on buildings and Landmark approves signs if it meets the guidelines. He directed anyone with questions in this area to look at law cases he provided. The member questioned if LANDMARK KCOMMISSION PAGE March 2, 2018 there was another gray to paint on another surface -- perhaps a sign panel that could be attached to the building? Discussion ensued and members struggled with the definitions of mural "...not to paint on a masonry surface" versus signage. Members brainstormed other ways to paint, erect or use a panel for a sign on the gall. Mr. Weske stated drilling into the gall would be a requirement and it is not ghat they opted to consider. A question was posed for the legal department liaison, however, they were not present at the meeting to provide a legal interpretation. Some members said this is what happened at the ale's property; permission was given from the abutting property owner and an encroachment agreement was drafted to allow the attached mural/sign to encroach beyond the Zales building gall. Mr. Andy Lee disagreed. Mr. Andy Lee conversed about the historical background of the paint on the west wall and its exposure. One member viewed this as a precedent setting decision; the design review guidelines would need to be changed. There is no evidence that there was a sign there to be restored; a painted mural which did not previously exist. other members agreed; and have voted in the past to deny this type of change several times; particularly when the exposed west wall was originally not an exposed wall but a part of a party gall to another building prior to the Mathis, vest & Huffines parking let. Commissioner member stated "We've had issues with murals popping up on historical structures, if we allow one, then i sets a precedent for everyone else to paint a mural... or a sign. "' Mr. Martin read the signage guidelines which stated "new signs shall he confined to building facades that front a street or alley." After a silent pause, a corn mission er asked was the actual layer of brick the outside of the Toodles building part of the former building that was torn down in the parking lot or was it part of 61 Streets building? Mr. Lee answered that the brick is part of the Toodles building, part of the interior gall. Chairperson Graham pointed out that written in the design review guidelines, a painted sign is a aural (notated under Signage). Chairperson Graham opined on various signage throughout the city. She believed some painted signs are not murals but painted business signs. Mr. Dickinson suggested putting the sign on posts. Ms. Gagne confirmed that any storefronts, murals or/and signage within the boundaries of the historical districts would be reviewed by the commission based on the guidelines set out within design review policies. {Ills. Gagnd stated the commission could give the recommendation of a free standing sign. The applicant would need permission for use from the owner of the abutting parking lot Mathis, west & Huffines . Mr. Dickinson digressed and shared that the new brewery on 7th Street had a mural on their building but it's outside of the historical district. Nis. Gagn.6 stated there are some technicalities {complaints from the owner or graffiti. Mr. Lee stated these are the two oldest brick buildings in town and everything has been approved by the State — Texas Historical Commission TH ). Mr. Lee offered to resubmit the request regarding the painted wall sign to Caroline Wright, THC's tax credit specialist to obtain her determination. Nor. Dickinson stated based on the painted sign request - it is not allowed with the current design review guidelines. The Chairperson asked for a motion. After much debate and discussion, Mr. Dickinson 9 made a motion to deny the applicant's request for a painted sign to be placed on the west wall of the building, Ms. Ramirez seconded the motion. The landmark commission recommended alternate options to Mr. Weske, owner/applicant, including: 1 sign mounted LANDMARK IIIIMISSI I PAGE March 26, 2018 to the building's mortar joints leaving an air gap to avoid trapping moisture and damaging the brick; 2 free-standing sign erected beside the gall; or 3 opt for no signage on the west fagade. The Chair called for a hand Grote. One member r. Lee) abstained from voting due to conflict of interest; the Grote was sic to one. The commission discussed further details f the design review guidelines and shared their opinions, precedents: what signs are appropriate and what are not, and what the applicant could or could not do in content with the guidelines and preservation ordinance. Chairperson Graham summarized the various conversations among the commission by stating the design review request was denied for painting the sign on the building and the applicant was given options from the commission. The owner/applicant can return in the future with another design review proposal for the Commission's consideration. III. Discussion & Direction regarding 701 Indiana — building outside Depot square District but 7 t" street sidewalk area inside historic district boundary — proposed outdoor patio/dining area. Chairperson Graham started this was a discussion item as no formal design review application has been submitted. staff was seeking clarification whether an application would be required since the proposed outdoor patio area for Wichita Falls Brewing Company Matt itsche would be on public right-of-way (side al which is in the Depot District but the building is outside the designated historic district boundary. City staff (planning, building inspection, engineering and property management) met with the owner on site where he was proposing an outdoor patio area along both Indiana and 7 to Streets but without fencing and BYO (bring your own) chairs, he would provide wooden or aluminum tables. There are various regulatory items that would require being addressed; the issue for Landmarks is the Depot Historic District boundary includes the 7 th Street sidewalk area but the building is outside and not subject to the design review guidelines. Mr. Martin asked about property lines and placement. rills. Gagne showed the chalked out area where the tables could be located which is beyond the sight --visibility triangle near the intersection and maintains a 5-foot pedestrian clearance area. Mr. Martin stated P Z commission said he could bring tables out daily but they must be put wary nightly. !Ills. Gagne stated the owner was not keen on having to rove the tables each day. rills. Gagne told him that she would bring his concerns before the Landmark Commission as a courtesy discussion item. The owner stated that he does not want to be in the historic district it may affect his business but will comply with the requirements which govern the sidewalk area along the 7 th Street fagade. Mr. Martin inquired about the lines of the historic district boundaries. ribs. Gagne stated it was prior to her corning on board but Mr. Lee was involved with the process in the early 1980s. Mr. Dickinson staved that he would find out what the TABC guidelines are regarding open containers, noting fences are important and that's why there are signs on liquor store properties stating you cannot drink on the premises. Chairperson Graham shared information regarding the Gaslight district in San Diego. Chairperson Graham stated that no matter what occurs, if it is just tables and chairs sitting outside - then it is a code enforcement/property management issue. If it becomes a permanent structure with fencing, this commission will be involved and a design review application will be necessary. LANDMARK oI It loN PACE March 26, 2018 Mr. Dickinson mentioned a fence also keeps the five foot pedestrian passage and complies with the outdoor dining ordinance. 1V. Discussion & Direction Regarding Ping - 109 Pembroke,. Morningside Addition: Fire Damage Repair- air- request determination regarding Commission or staff administrative inistrative review for roof change/exterior. Chairperson Graham stated this was a discussion item as no formal design review application has been submitted. We were contacted by Mr. Stephen Lowder son of the owner, Linda Lowder, at 109 Pembroke. The structure sustained significant fire damage and Mr. Lowder is helping coordinate the restoration and renovation process; he wanted to consider the option for a TPO membrane roof rather than replace the existing flat/gravel reef depending on the insurance assessment. illlr. Lowder is currently working with Derry lareney and James Foster for the renovation project. staff explained TPO is Thermoplastic Pololefin; a roofing material introduced in the 1990s and is a single -ply roofing system that consists of a membrane which has a polymer base, polyester - reinforced fabric center and a thermoplastic polyole in compounded top ply. Mr. Rodney Martin and Mr. Jackie Lebow provided some comments based on their experience in the building field with this material. The TPO can generally last between 1 -30 years and is a good alternate for traditional flat roofs. l'llls. Gagne outlined some background from the national register nomination application which included an assessment of 109 Pembroke. The property is known n s the Reagan House No. 39 which was considered a later but significant addition to the Morningside District. Staff surmised the only reason the application materials listed the property as non- contributing due to it not being over 0-years in the mid-19 o's when it obtained the national designation. The report goes on to state "...desigrned by Roy Kee and built between 1954-55 this residence is a one-story, curvilinear structure with flat roof From an aerial view, the Galan forms the outline of an orchid. Pesky cypress and slate are materials used for the walls and floors, both on the exterior and interior. #3. Reagan._House— 1 9 Pembroke 4- 9 . Noncontributing. One-story curvilinear plan dwelling with flat, composition -rock reef. Multipaned casement windows. site used throughout on floors and walls. Pecky cypress wood and limestone on exterior. arse is shaped like an orchid as seen from an aerial mew. Noncon rib ing outbuilding. (Contemporary "Ca ifornialMalib r s le' . " There was general consensus of support from the Commission for a TPO roof but determined that a design review application will be necessary for the alternative roof since it is a change in materials if the owner opts to move forward with a different roofing system. Staff indicated they would provide an update to the owner/son regarding their determination. V. Monthly Reports: rts: a) Depot Square Historic District — Mrs. Michele Derr shared that Wichita Falls Brewery grand opening is March 30th Gypsy Kit or Gypsy 801 is now open (formerly 2011 Bistro), St. Patrick Street Festival was a success after the rain cleared out, Gid et's Sandwich Shop is taking over The bard, grand opening slated for May 12 , Farmer's Market will open fully in May. LANDMARK OMMI ION PAGE 6 March 26. 2018 b) West Floral Heights — Mr, Andy Lee had nothing to report. c) Morningside — Report was not forthcoming; the representative was absent. Design Review —Staff Authorized —Minor Alterations/Repairs: Ms. Gagne reported on the two staff authorized minor alterations/repairs 1414 Tilden grater heater replacement 1512 Tilden — electric service repair 0 Articles & Periodicals — Texas Historical Commission: Window repair & Replacement ement if 1. New Business: a) Next Mtg. — April 2, 201 hill. Adjourn; Meeting adjourned at 1:2 p.m. Christy Graham, Chairperson f /air/l� Date �J